• NTVDMx64 issues?

    From "Martin Kazmaier" @21:2/148 to All on Sun Dec 7 18:22:00 2025
    I have some weird timing issue with the latest pre-build of the
    CCPU version. In ice edit, the clock goes wild. I had to set
    the door to pause the users time limit, but not all doors have
    that option. Others, complain about time running out and my
    lightbar reader craps out after reading messages. It just goes
    back to the previous screen. has anyone experienced issues like
    this? I tried to install the haxm version, but that just keeps
    complaining about not being installed. I haven't tried any other
    versions, or building it myself. I don't think I'm brave enough
    for that!

    Marty/Shurato
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  • From Exodus@21:1/144 to "Martin Kazmaier" on Mon Dec 8 06:05:05 2025
    "K> I have some weird timing issue with the latest pre-build of the
    "K> CCPU version. In ice edit, the clock goes wild. I had to set
    "K> the door to pause the users time limit, but not all doors have
    "K> that option. Others, complain about time running out and my
    "K> lightbar reader craps out after reading messages. It just goes
    "K> back to the previous screen. has anyone experienced issues like
    "K> this? I tried to install the haxm version, but that just keeps
    "K> complaining about not being installed. I haven't tried any other
    "K> versions, or building it myself. I don't think I'm brave enough
    "K> for that!

    Run win7. NTVDM is fucked more and more with each update to be able to run a BBS.

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  • From Shurato@21:2/148 to Exodus on Mon Dec 8 14:07:00 2025

    * In a message originally to "Martin Kazmaier" <Nospam-Martykazm, Exodus said:

    "K> I have some weird timing issue with the latest pre-build of the CCPU version. In ice edit, the clock goes wild. I had to set the door
    "K> to pause the users time limit, but not all doors have that option. Others, complain about time running out and my lightbar reader
    "K> craps out after reading messages. It just goes back to the previous screen. has anyone experienced issues like this? I tried to install
    "K> the haxm version, but that just keeps complaining about not being installed. I haven't tried any other versions, or building it
    "K> myself. I don't think I'm brave enough for that!

    Run win7. NTVDM is fucked more and more with each update to be able to
    run a BBS.

    Drivers aren't available for my hardware and I don't have enough cores for a VM.

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  • From Exodus@21:1/144 to Shurato on Mon Dec 8 17:27:23 2025
    Run win7. NTVDM is fucked more and more with each update to be able to
    run a BBS.

    Drivers aren't available for my hardware and I don't have enough cores for

    What kinda hardware do you have?

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  • From Shurato@21:2/148 to Exodus on Tue Dec 9 08:44:00 2025

    * In a message originally to Shurato, Exodus said:

    Run win7. NTVDM is fucked more and more with each update to be able to run a BBS.

    Drivers aren't available for my hardware and I don't have enough cores
    for

    What kinda hardware do you have?

    2 N100s.

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  • From Shurato@21:2/148 to Exodus on Tue Dec 9 11:44:00 2025

    Run win7. NTVDM is fucked more and more with each update to be able to run a BBS.

    Drivers aren't available for my hardware and I don't have enough cores
    for

    What kinda hardware do you have?

    I gave up. Windows 11 with NTVDMx64 was totally unusable for me. I gave up
    on my new PCs (what a waste of money...) and went back to the laptop with a win11 host and a win10 32 bit guest VM. It works pretty well, except for
    some occasional VM shenanigans.

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  • From Exodus@21:1/144 to Shurato on Tue Dec 9 13:58:30 2025
    I gave up. Windows 11 with NTVDMx64 was totally unusable for me. I gave u on my new PCs (what a waste of money...) and went back to the laptop with a win11 host and a win10 32 bit guest VM. It works pretty well, except for some occasional VM shenanigans.

    I run the BBS on an old Dell Optiplex I grabbed from ebay for like $40.00

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Exodus on Tue Dec 9 12:01:29 2025
    Re: Re: NTVDMx64 issues?
    By: Exodus to Shurato on Tue Dec 09 2025 01:58 pm

    I gave up. Windows 11 with NTVDMx64 was totally unusable for me. I gave
    u
    on my new PCs (what a waste of money...) and went back to the laptop with
    a win11 host and a win10 32 bit guest VM. It works pretty well, except
    for some occasional VM shenanigans.

    I run the BBS on an old Dell Optiplex I grabbed from ebay for like $40.00

    Yeah, I'm currently running my BBS on a Dell workstation I bought from eBay. You can find some pretty good deals there.

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  • From Exodus@21:1/144 to Nightfox on Tue Dec 9 17:07:20 2025
    I run the BBS on an old Dell Optiplex I grabbed from ebay for like $40

    Yeah, I'm currently running my BBS on a Dell workstation I bought from eBay You can find some pretty good deals there.

    Thats why I don't understand all of the people going I can't run this on my machine, on a vm, under win11, etc. Spend $40 for your hobby and BOOM .. everything works with the OS that is close enough to what it was supposed to be run on.

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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Exodus on Tue Dec 9 18:41:39 2025
    On 09 Dec 25 17:07:20, Exodus said the following to Nightfox:

    Thats why I don't understand all of the people going I can't run this on my machine, on a vm, under win11, etc. Spend $40 for your hobby and BOOM .. everything works with the OS that is close enough to what it was supposed to be run on.

    This 1000000%.

    Atreyu

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  • From Shurato@21:2/148 to Exodus on Tue Dec 9 17:29:00 2025

    I run the BBS on an old Dell Optiplex I grabbed from ebay for like
    $40

    Yeah, I'm currently running my BBS on a Dell workstation I bought from
    eBay
    You can find some pretty good deals there.

    Thats why I don't understand all of the people going I can't run this on my machine, on a vm, under win11, etc. Spend $40 for your hobby
    and BOOM .. everything works with the OS that is close enough
    to what it was supposed to be run on.

    I live in a studio apt. My main PC and laptop take up too much room. I have to do this on mini-PCs.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Shurato on Tue Dec 9 18:49:12 2025
    Re: Re: NTVDMx64 issues?
    By: Shurato to Exodus on Tue Dec 09 2025 05:29 pm

    Thats why I don't understand all of the people going I can't run this on
    my machine, on a vm, under win11, etc. Spend $40 for your hobby and BOOM
    .. everything works with the OS that is close enough to what it was
    supposed to be run on.

    I live in a studio apt. My main PC and laptop take up too much room. I have to do this on mini-PCs.

    Still, I've seen some fairly inexpensive mini PCs. There's this one for instance, which is a refurbished one for $199:

    https://refurbished.minisforum.com/products/minisforum-nab6

    I imagine you might be able to find ones that are less expensive on eBay too.

    Nightfox
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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Exodus on Tue Dec 9 19:15:29 2025
    BY: Exodus (21:1/144)

    |11E|09> |10I run the BBS on an old Dell Optiplex I grabbed from ebay for like|07
    |11E|09> |10$40.00|07
    OS/2 would be juicy.


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  • From Exodus@21:1/144 to Shurato on Tue Dec 9 22:35:28 2025

    I live in a studio apt. My main PC and laptop take up too much room. I ha to do this on mini-PCs.

    My Optiplex that I run the PC from is like 12 inches high by 18 inches deep
    and 3 inches wide. I remote into it from my main PC.

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  • From Exodus@21:1/144 to Utopian Galt on Tue Dec 9 22:37:30 2025
    I run the BBS on an old Dell Optiplex I grabbed from ebay for
    like
    $40.00
    OS/2 would be juicy.

    When I got it, I wanted to move it to OS/2, but WARP v4 kept crashing on install, So I didn't feel like screwing with finding what drivers was crashing it, so I kept Win10, then downgraded to Win7 once NTVDM was getting "updated" and killing off being able to run some of my older door games.

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  • From Codefenix@21:4/141 to Nightfox on Wed Dec 10 10:30:24 2025
    Re: Re: NTVDMx64 issues?
    By: Nightfox to Shurato on Tue Dec 09 2025 06:49 pm

    I live in a studio apt. My main PC and laptop take up too much room. I
    have to do this on mini-PCs.

    Still, I've seen some fairly inexpensive mini PCs. There's this one for instance, which is a refurbished one for $199:

    Even cheaper than that. I bought a Lenovo ThinkCentre M73 from Amazon two years ago for $92 delivered. It's what I my BBS on. Great little PC, runs like a champ. Windows 10 64-bit.

    NTVDMx64 works great for me, for the record, circling back to the original topic.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Codefenix on Wed Dec 10 08:09:37 2025
    Re: Re: NTVDMx64 issues?
    By: Codefenix to Nightfox on Wed Dec 10 2025 10:30 am

    like a champ. Windows 10 64-bit.

    NTVDMx64 works great for me, for the record, circling back to the original topic.

    Yeah, from what I've heard, it sounds like NTVDMx64 can be installed on Windows 10 without too much fuss, but I think it has trouble on Windows 11. I have Windows 11 and have tried installing it myself and ran into trouble.. I didn't really look into it further to try to get it working, and I felt a little nervous about messing up my system.

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  • From Shurato@21:2/148 to Nightfox on Wed Dec 10 13:38:00 2025

    * In a message originally to Shurato, Nightfox said:

    Re: Re: NTVDMx64 issues? By: Shurato to Exodus on Tue Dec 09 2025
    05:29 pm

    Thats why I don't understand all of the people going I can't run
    this on
    my machine, on a vm, under win11, etc. Spend $40 for your hobby and BOOM
    .. everything works with the OS that is close enough to what it was
    supposed to be run on.

    I live in a studio apt. My main PC and laptop take up too much room.
    I
    have to do this on mini-PCs.

    Still, I've seen some fairly inexpensive mini PCs. There's this one for instance, which is a refurbished one for $199:

    https://refurbished.minisforum.com/products/minisforum-nab6

    I imagine you might be able to find ones that are less expensive on eBay too.

    Yeah, I bought 2 Nimos. M1PL1 or something like that. 4GB w/ 128GB SSD intended for Win 10 23 bit for the BBS, refused any attempt at install. The latest win 11 build doesn't like ntvdmx64. The other was a 16GB w/ 1TB SSD
    for the rest of my servers. It works, but without the use of the former, the latter is useless.

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  • From Shurato@21:2/148 to Exodus on Wed Dec 10 13:40:00 2025

    * In a message originally to Shurato, Exodus said:


    I live in a studio apt. My main PC and laptop take up too much room.
    I ha
    to do this on mini-PCs.

    My Optiplex that I run the PC from is like 12 inches high by 18 inches
    deep and 3 inches wide. I remote into it from my main PC.

    Yeah, I don't have room for something like that... More like 2" high by 5" x 5" I can fit. Thanks for the ideas and support though!

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  • From klunk@21:1/124 to Nightfox on Wed Dec 10 22:22:23 2025
    Yeah, from what I've heard, it sounds like NTVDMx64 can be installed on Windows 10 without too much fuss, but I think it has trouble on Windows 11. I have Windows 11 and have tried installing it myself and ran into

    I believe some of the requires bits of code have been removed from windows 11 hence NTVDMx64 doesn't run well, or at all. Hence I have stayed with win 10 32 bit.
    L8rz
    Klunk

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  • From Shurato@21:2/148 to Nightfox on Thu Dec 11 00:58:00 2025

    Re: Re: NTVDMx64 issues?
    By: Codefenix to Nightfox on Wed Dec 10 2025 10:30 am

    like a champ. Windows 10 64-bit.

    NTVDMx64 works great for me, for the record, circling back to the
    original
    topic.

    Yeah, from what I've heard, it sounds like NTVDMx64 can be installed on Windows 10 without too much fuss, but I think it has trouble on Windows 11. I have Windows 11 and have tried installing it myself and ran into trouble.. I didn't really look into it further to try to get it working, and I felt a little nervous about messing up my system.

    Tried it and have the same problem. I think it's the mini-PC.

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  • From Shurato@21:2/148 to klunk on Thu Dec 11 01:00:00 2025

    Yeah, from what I've heard, it sounds like NTVDMx64 can be installed
    on
    Windows 10 without too much fuss, but I think it has trouble on
    Windows
    11. I have Windows 11 and have tried installing it myself and ran
    into

    I believe some of the requires bits of code have been removed from windows 11 hence NTVDMx64 doesn't run well, or at all. Hence I have stayed with win 10 32 bit. L8rz Klunk

    Ok, to be able to do that and not rely on a VM, I've ordered a HP EliteDesk
    800 G3 SFF Windows 10 PC (Intel Core i5 / 8GB RAM / 256GB SSD) i5-7500. It should fit nicely under my printer. I just don't like the idea of the
    majorly increased power consumption driving up my power bill compared to an N100. At leastl this old hardware shouldn't have any problems with ntvdm...

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  • From Mindsurfer@21:3/119 to Shurato on Thu Dec 11 13:59:31 2025
    Re: Re: NTVDMx64 issues?
    By: Shurato to klunk on Thu Dec 11 2025 01:00:00

    Ok, to be able to do that and not rely on a VM, I've ordered a HP EliteDesk 800 G3 SFF Windows 10 PC (Intel Core i5 / 8GB RAM / 256GB SSD) i5-7500. It should fit nicely under my printer. I just don't like the idea of the majorly increased power consumption driving up my power bill compared to an N100. At leastl this old hardware shouldn't have any problems with ntvdm...

    I think that is a decent choice. It might have a slightly higher TDP of 35W due to the i5, but when idle it should come close to idle power consumption of an N100.
    So there shouldn't be any worries about the electricity bill with this one.
    And with the i5 you are on the x86 side of things and have more then enough power to run windows, a BBS and much more on it.

    May I ask how much it cost?

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  • From Shurato@21:2/148 to Mindsurfer on Thu Dec 11 10:47:00 2025

    * In a message originally to Shurato, Mindsurfer said:

    Re: Re: NTVDMx64 issues? By: Shurato to klunk on Thu Dec 11 2025
    01:00:00

    Ok, to be able to do that and not rely on a VM, I've ordered a HP EliteDesk 800 G3 SFF Windows 10 PC (Intel Core i5 / 8GB RAM / 256GB
    SSD)
    i5-7500. It should fit nicely under my printer. I just don't like
    the
    idea of the majorly increased power consumption driving up my power
    bill
    compared to an N100. At leastl this old hardware shouldn't have any problems with ntvdm...

    I think that is a decent choice. It might have a slightly higher TDP of
    35W due to the i5, but when idle it should come close to idle power consumption of an N100. So there shouldn't be any worries about the electricity bill with this one. And with the i5 you are on the x86
    side of things and have more then enough power to run windows,
    a BBS and much more on it.

    May I ask how much it cost?

    About 90$ including shipping and taxes.

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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Shurato on Thu Dec 11 13:26:27 2025
    On 11 Dec 25 01:00:00, Shurato said the following to Klunk:

    should fit nicely under my printer. I just don't like the idea of the majorly increased power consumption driving up my power bill compared to an N100. At leastl this old hardware shouldn't have any problems with ntvdm...

    I'm confused. Please explain to me the significant difference in power consumption and costs of your electric bill between the Energy-star rated SFF Elitedesk and the N100.

    Atreyu

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  • From Shurato@21:2/148 to Atreyu on Thu Dec 11 13:43:00 2025

    * In a message originally to Shurato, Atreyu said:

    On 11 Dec 25 01:00:00, Shurato said the following to Klunk:

    should fit nicely under my printer. I just don't like the idea of the majorly increased power consumption driving up my power bill compared
    to an
    N100. At leastl this old hardware shouldn't have any problems with
    ntvdm...

    I'm confused. Please explain to me the significant difference in power consumption and costs of your electric bill between the Energy-star rated SFF Elitedesk and the N100.

    I'll admit I don't always know what I'm talking about... Anyway, I'm back on the n100 with netfoss 1.25 and it's working mostly.

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